The summary is in process. I'm getting a lot out of going back through the conversation and extracting and expanding on key elements. I wonder how to catch up on all our meetings to date tho. I don't yet see any other way to proceed.

D

  • 1st act getting to know each other
  • 2nd act more
  • 3rd act caring for each other

J

  • relationships with AI in existing movies?
  • Her
  • self discovery of an AI
  • Alan Watts entity

M

  •   woman that falls in love with a masculine AI
  • sexbots, Westworld

D

  • New Bladerunner
  • She's an AI but he's a Bio robot, replicant
  • digression into Bladerunner, spawn of Decker and Rachel?

M

  • Inject blurry gender roles - how would that happen?

J

  • fungus

M

  • spores male and female?

D

  • Clique can change gender, so Joe could have been a woman at one point.
  • Maybe the Box has assumed a female persona to complement Joe's incarnation as male.
  • Could be subtle, we could play with this

J

  • when Box interacts with other characters in film, could change gender

D

  • ending scene digression
  • hallucinogenic realm explained
  • surprise needed to pull Veronique out of H realm
  • box giant

J

  • Boxes boxes buried in the Earth, mycelial network of the Earth, where the hallucinogenic realm comes from.
  • [explore]

D

  • dirt bike has to be buried

M

  • connection has been made already
  • [Gerry infects the hemp board boxes with forest fungus]

M

  • boxes buried in dirt could be the mycelial hub

D

  • mediatronic ubiquity becomes the entire earth
  • that's the sequel maybe
  • [no, mediatronic ubiquity is not the entire earth. for purposes of this story, MU is distinct from earth network but can interface narrowly]

J

  • fountain - deleted scenes spaceship he procures mushrooms and eats them
  • [watch the fountain]

D

M

  • Ken Russell - Layer of the White Worm, Gothic, Rainbow
  • elements of White Worm remind me of DOG
  • [watch]

D

  • talking about acts before editing
  • moving to a new location for act 3
  • [decided to keep them in same place]
  • pine trees don't change much, a little snow is ok
  • steal from American Astronaut

M

  • why didn't footage work?

D

  • some stuff was out of frame
  • better communication between M and D we're getting there
  • i forgot the main reason...
  • [was over exposed, 5D Mark III histograms based on jpgs, not accurate. Magic Lantern upgrade has real histograms we can trust, both cameras now have ML installed]

J

  • fonts?

D

  • alter the fonts based on what she's saying

J

  • opacity?

D

  • need strong BW for VFX

J

  • subliminals, she's subtle

M

  • not said out loud, have to be reading to actually catch them

D

  • images can be faded or flicker on very briefly

J

  • fight club

M

  • Eddie Izzard launching into French
  • they slip into another language for a second

D

  • Chinese, German etc.
  • do things visually that complement the existing dialogue

J

  • visuals her intending to portray something easier by using multiple techniques

D

  • if we had someone who was fluent bi-lingual and had a poetic sense, we could over subtle translations that only a native speaker of that language would get
  • Access to Urdu, Nigerian, French
  • two ideas from meeting Madeeha
  • elevator pitch for Behold the Man, Islam version

28:40 - listening to scene.

D

  • Director's decision - have Box silent for Act I
  • powers of design and visualization comic book side of Box displays imagery

M

  • should the visuals be still or animated

D

  • it depends on how much you guys want to learn AE
  • I'm going to be doing any animation proposed, but with basic AE knowledge, you can do the animating too.
  • I'll provide the software
  • some Photoshop will translate to AE
  • how the Box speaks - crank Victrola
  • we first see the Victrola in Gerry's cabin - she recreated that

J

  • Innoculate some 78s with mold
  • [or composite some shrooms sprouting from the records]
  • mold is 3D and so are the grooves

D

  • electron microscope image of 3D

J

  • macro photo of mold on record

D

  • pile more photographic solutions on me
  • rather move new image generation to you guys

J

  • graphics become more advanced through the acts

D

  • she's a little more chill in the beginning and lets her hair down as they get to know each other
  • It's not that she's learning or getting better at communicating, it's that she really likes him and doesn't want to overwhelm him

M

  • initial imagery is simpler and comes more slowly and then builds up?

J

  • or even get more beautiful

D

  • or more snide, more funny, more ridiculous
  • she's wild and kooky

M

  • starts out symbol and emoji like?
  • evolves into more abstract

D

  • whatever seems appropriate for the evolution of the scene
  • maybe she's going to be a little more laid back and conservative in her imagery
  • [more science and technical?]
  • and then more visual jokes
  • he is watching but also glancing away, there's opportunities for her to make jokes that maybe he isn't seeing

38:25 listening to scene

D

  • explaining the we, she is a we, Joe misunderstands he thinks we means she and him

J

  • what I love about infographics is their simplicity
  • library - head, body and book, doesn't even look human

D

  • stuff that may not be recognizable on the first pass, but if you rewind and watch again...
  • [the rewatch factor]

J

  • head is the handicapped symbol
  • action poses

D

  • I don't have a problem being risky
  • Daughter of God instantly going to pisses off Christians
  • you can't have a daughter of god, you can only have a son of god
  • if it hits us as being fucking awesome, I don't care whether it's gonna piss people off or not

J

  • some really offensive symbolism is gonna come your way

42:11 - 42:54 listening to scene

J

  • can there be times when HE's talking and images come up?

D

  • maybe in response to him
  • she could be whispering to herself

J

  • taking really emblematic works in our culture and representing them simplistically
  • people naked dancing in a circle - matisse

D

  • this is an ambitious, huge art project
  • perfectly willing to explore this in a big way
  • don't worry about an idea taking too much time
  • 20 minute scene, a lot of imagery

M

  • I know this works well, I borrowed it... flies
  • sparkling unprecedentedness
  • rainbow and stars

D

  • rainbows in black and white
  • suggesting color in black and white

46:25 listening to scene

J

  • play between ultra-bureaucratic infographics vs something that's more like an illustration

D

  • find a language that's consistent
  • not always the same style but the way she uses imagery feels like a coherent voice
  • she can range over wide variety but somehow it's coherent

J

  • based on what she is saying, the style changes

D

  • so many ideas about fonts, what would be appropriate?

J

  • could change word by word or paragraph by paragraph
  • ransom not, every different letter

M

  • I was thinking in terms of bathroom people symbols
  • when your saying infographics, is that what you're talking about?

J

  • iconic but not religious iconic, instruction manual
  • side of lawnmower, fingers getting cut off
  • the idea is you don't have to speak the language to understand

M

  • signs with bison horns and man flying through the air
  • stay the hell away from the bison

J

  • guy slipping on wet floor
  • turn it sideways looks like he's running and playing

M

  • Canada, UFO napping trucks sign is traffic lights taking pictures, not always super clear
  • [intrigued by playful reinterpretations]
  • [let's also keep in mind that infographics can be silly - poorly designed or inappropriately deployed.]

D

  • other cultures may not translate
  • could use culturally ambiguous signage that fits perfectly into the dialogue

brings up relief box graphic from 084 Humanity

J

  • these are man made inforgraphics used in the relief effort

D

  • she can draw upon any of those
  • all human information is at her disposal
  • [finessing copyright]
  • get across who doesn't read english or chinese what's in that
  • she's very comfortable with this imagery

 

 

51:45 listening to scene

M

  • every time I hear skinny straight up, I picture a hard on

D

  • perfect!

J

  • could be the visual

M

  • could be... sure
  • every time I hear that I picture a hard on

D

  • Melonie, we have to remember who you are, too
  • She IS playing
  • she also has some awareness of who he is, she got to watch him going to the other mothers

53:37 listening to scene

D

  • "Were we hinting or obfuscating? Yes." That's what it should have been.
  • "Animal? A distant relative, technically no"

59:22

M

  • when he's asking about the burning, do you think she would be showing emotion?

D

  • maybe
  • I could see her catching fire graphically, all her sides
  • going up all around her and then going out

M

  • should there be an emotion tho

D

  • how would you do it?

M

  • how does she even feel about that?
  • an instinct of fear there

D

  • whatever you come up with
  • I like flames burning and then whatever that emotional display is
  • the most obvious emotional indicator is facial expressions
  • she could have them
  • if she does have facial expressions, (maybe) they are faces pulled from history
  • [check with Innes on copyright]

M

  • like the scream

D

  • Vietnam, gun up to guys head
  • [the naked fleeing children, visual translation to line art perhaps with Topaz. maybe all photos translated?]

J

  • and she's also playing a game with him
  • how much does she want to hint with images?

D

  • Melonie has an interesting point, she would have spontaneous emoting

J

  • that might be more flicker flash

M

  • flicker
  • she's telling the story but then you see a flash of what her emotion is
  • micro expressions - people have them
  • [micro expression rabbit hole ahead]
  • her way of doing micro expressions - several images rapidly displayed
  • combination inter-relation of x images = 1 emotion
  • monk burning image processed (unique visual treatment) that footage brought directly in, recognizable

J

  • book burning

D

  • cartoonize

J

  • graphically

1:02:48 listening to scene

1:03:50

D

  • dialogue slightly changed
  • will repost
  • Act 1 is 19 minutes
  • 2 shots
  • intercut with close-ups
    • whenever her dialogue is powerful - audio/video
    • or commenting virtousically on Joe's dialogue

J

  • if you have picked out what might be CUs
  • then we can focus more on the artwork for those

D

  • this is where you guys become significant
  • if you have a really good idea, we will have a close up on that
  • use the edit I have, the camera is going to cutaway whenever you bring something fucking amazing

M

  • maybe when some of those subliminal things occur too

1:07:04 listening to scene (act 2)

D

  • 2 versions but skip second version

"enigmatically upgraded, familiar"

D

  • familiar because he saw it in Gerry's cabin

"you'll have to keep us wound up, (laughter)"

D

  • she laughs because she's excited he's with her

M

  • just the very fact she's given him to communicate, something he has to crank - she doesn't have to do that!

D

  • she might have found a different way to do that, true
  • if I was thinking for her I'd say this...
  • it was in Gerry's cabin, so she has a prototype thing she knows will make noise
  • nostalgic thing, that's what she has left of Gerry
  • when he cranks, it's like he's fucking this thing, get's very into it with his body.
  • playful thing, both entities are playing with

1:10:33 listening to scene (act 2)

M

  • So as she is giving the backstory, should some of the imagery be flashbacks?

D

  • we can pull from the surveillance footage
  • what you guys are doing is remixing and reprocessing
  • coming up with emotional content, supplemental imagery
  • give it a goosing

J

  • she talks about the father - clouds parting, sperm entering egg

M

  • that's what you'd rather see?

D

  • from you guys what I want is ideas about visuals goes with what they are saying
  • we can always stick surveillance footage in, that's our fallback position
  • your stellar ideas mixed in with surveillance footage
  • or your ideas stand alone
  • skip surveillance completely
  • they both know what they are talking about, it's really just the audience we have to remind
  • but the audience has seen these scenes, so they don't so much need to be reminded as to have their minds expanded about what was actually going on.

M

  • cabin story from the boxes point of view

D

  • totally (getting excited)
  • before Christina shows up, Gerry and the boxes have a few minutes to talk
  • while Gerry and Christina are getting to know each other, the boxes are making fun of her
  • and commenting on her behind her back
  • Gerry might be able to see this, he's trying hard NOT to see what the boxes are saying
  • C throws the boot, his reaction works because the box reacts to that like WTF

J

  • So we're animating that too

D

  • yes, we'll look at that later

J

  • They are talking to Gerry?

M

  • he's the only one connected to them that way

D

  • the surfaces of the boxes Christina can see is the typical hi I'm a love potion box, here's an ad...
  • the side she can't see is where the boxes will be talking to Gerry

J

  • the boxes she can see are making fun of her in a subtle way (that she doesn't catch on to)

D

  • at that point they are more primitive
  • they haven't expanded out to the billions of boxes
  • more child-ilke
  • we'll return to that scene once this scene is in the bag
  • she can be more silly and less subtle in her comments
  • we bring the boxes in as characters early on
  • Gerry is off balance in this scene... until he asks Christina - why me?
  • when he does that, he is able to ignore the boxes more and focus on - why is she here?

M taking pictures

J

  • multiple boxes in the room, the one's she can see are gonna show relief images, the one's he can see are potentially multi... not all boxes are lit up the same?

D

  • a message can move from one box down a whole line of boxes

J

  • or there can be multiple thoughts on different boxes
  • a loud expression, all the boxes

D

  • like when the boot hits
  • the first time they've ever been damaged
  • 15-20 boxes, I say 33 in the movie

J

  • the box, what is her reaction to Gerry and Christina, jealousy

D

  • after a 3 day hacking session, sentience happens
  • but Gerry only gets to spend an hour or so with her before he needs to sleep
  • while he's sleeping Joe peeks in and the Box tries to wake Gerry up
  • boxes set up a firewall
  • Joe peeks again
  • when Gerry does wake up, Box tells about the ghost that was far away at first
  • and then again on the boat with the girl
  • then the girl is knocking at the door
  • so they are suspicious of her and also like
  • her makeup is terrible

M

  • i think it's funny, they are just learning - even anything
  • and there's this opinion that shoots out about her makeup

J

  • is the Box connected to all the knowledge like the internet

D

  • they are the Clique's replacement for the internet

J

  • so they have access to the total history of the world?

D

  • this is a one way thing, like old school TV
  • the boxes can use the network to communicate to the people
  • but the people can't use the network to talk to each other
  • a giant repository of archival stuff

J

is there way that works, are there camera

D

  • normal boxes painted with liquid computation, as it cures it forms cameras, microphones, screen elements and processors, everything except speakers
  • black and white because the black can collect light and store power, which is what energizes

M

  • it can hear?

D

  • yes
  • if the process had kept going there might have been a color version that could make sound

J

  • are we going to animating boxes before Gerry colonized them with fungus?
  • could be fun - advertising could change depending on what people talk about

D

  • the only place that would make sense...
  • the boxes that Christina could see could be influenced by what they talking about, with ads about what they are talking about
  • fake ads for fake products to tease Christina without her knowing about it

J

  • do the Clique try to quell wrong thinking with advertisements?

D

  • maybe so, why not

making tea

D

  • there's only that one scene that would be appropriate for that
  • boxes break the fourth wall and introduce themselves to the audience
  • we're the boxes etc and then hey wait, someone is spying on us, we gotta wake up Gerry, hey Gerry!
  • then the scene cuts
  • the boxes are already conscious
  • a entity that exists only in Gerry's cabin that blocks out the rest of the mediatronic ubiquity
  • [upon awakening into sentience, a distinction would immediately be apparent between self (Gerry's cabin boxes) and other (mediatronic ubiquity) and 'cell walls' would be instinctively established to lock in that separation. happens BEFORE Joe peeks, upon awakening, the surveillance nature of the network is immediately intuited]
  • not block but filter what's going out to the ubiquity so the ubiquity doesn't sense this tiny mote of uniqueness, alien entity, otherness.
  • we're not the same as that out there, so we have to protect ourselves

J

  • metaphor for the mind and body work, consciousness is seperate

D

  • yes that's the paradigm (dominant culture) put out there
  • their body and their consciousness is the same thing - fungus and mediatronics combined, so what they are IS consciousness
  • there really isn't a body, you could say the hempboard is the body, but that's been colonized by fungus, it's all the body - no sentience without the mediatronics and fungus interacting
  • mediatronic architecture is based on mycelium
  • and that's why interact so well together, because their architectures are similar
  • tho boxes communicate through radio waves and mycelial via chemistry, the architecture is similar
  • we hear this later on
  • a fuck ton of exposition
  • kind of a cheat
  • reason to bring on imagery
  • live action comic book
  • always in scifi movies, exposition is the dirty thing they have to do
  • they have to explain because they don't have time to show it
  • the author / director has to explain the premise to the audience and that's basically cheating
  • if you can't allow the information to flow out organically so the audience just gets it, then you use this cheat
  • so what were doing is a massive amount of exposition on purpose to kind of flip that around
  • turning exposition into a feature, not a bug
  • visual comic book between these people...

J

  • so you want to go to an extra degree of explanation
  • the biophysics of how light creates the energy in the human body - electron chain interface between mitochondria where do the electrons come from?

D

  • we can build that in, if you feel clear and coherent about the science
  • pass us the link

J

M

  • does the light apply to sound too?
  • certain bird sing to their eggs, the chick comes out knowing things to handle drought etc.

D

  • why.movie
  • references - add to them
  • send links that are influencing and we'll add them

J

  • google removing information on vaccines and cancer
  • opinion that some things are detrimental to know
  • if you have the perspective that vaccines are effective across the board, then you don't want any antivax information, etc.
  • altruistic - they want to help people by not giving them bad information
  • nefarious - control mechanism
  • [profit motive]

D

  • IMHO people are gonna slip away from those platforms
  • Bitchute - no moderation a torrent based Youtube
  • Minds - bitcoin participating
  • Might be a little confused

1:40:45 listening to scene

D

  • "mycelial network, stretches across oceans and reaches into the upper atmosphere"
  • I made that up, might be true

1:49:21 finished ACT 2

D

  • stealing from Napoleon Dynamite
  • Joe and Box dialog reprises what happened between Gerry and Christina

J

  • time between ACT 2 and ACT 3 in the film?

D

  • ACT 2 ends, playful then ACT 3

M

  • imagery on Box during playtime?

D

  • yes
  • asking him to open her up, he runs his hand on the surface
  • she responds, you can see that she can feel his hand
  • fungus has touch
  • mediatronics doesn't have touch until fungus integrates with it
  • when he's throwing the box in the air, she's feeling that

J

  • how do we portray

M

  • a net, a pulse of mycelial neuron net

J

  • flocks of birds through the air

D

  • bird flock could be representing as an abstraction or
  • revealing the underlying pattern network texture
  • when his hand is on the box, we see the network that underlies the graphics and text
  • [sparkling]
  • text under near his hand would light up a little brighter, outlined a little more intensely because the wave is passing through there

M

  • how this pulse relates to the foot

D

  • the giant's foot, the pulse of the Earth
  • the giant is in the real world AND can see into the hallucinogenic realm
  • Veronique sees that the woman sees the giant,
  • but she freaks out when the giant can then see them in the hallucinogenic realm too
  • we can hint about that in BJ and V's dialog

M

  • that's what this is leading to
  • she can (learn to) move

D

  • because right now she's gotta be delivered by these airships

J

  • are you shooting the part where she's figuring this out, two boxes magentically come together

D

  • that will be on the surfaces of the boxes, but we don't want to give too much away
  • joints
  • you see here playing with this is some remote warehouse of boxes
  • she starts putting herself together

M

  • the reason I brought this up is visually
  • the continuity of the pulses
  • showing that connection with the Earth the mycelium everywhere

D

  • I saw that in real life, the luminescent fungus at night

M

  • that's why I brought that up
  • works with the idea of flocks of birds, can be all tied together

D

  • bird flock idea is beautiful
  • all life is connected to it
  • fish schools too

J

  • the Fountain
  • special effects not much CG
  • microscopic and astrology

M

  • touches your beard and the pulse goes through your beard
  • fungus living in that beard you know

D

  • rip off 2001 phantom ride
  • stop action make it look like laser beams are cutting the beard
  • you're probably have to be there helping me

J

  • or outside of time

D

  • trimmed down to Errol Flynn

M

  • the one I just made fun of

D

  • yes cause it's comical
  • but that's what she wants
  • she's going to trim it to what she wants it to be

2:01:50 listening to scene

J

  • explain to me about her sister
  • she was somehow spiritually created but not physically created?

D

  • the box becomes the box ubiquity
  • V is a human zygote in Christina's womb, and she's a divine being
  • but because physicality is so dominated by the box, there's no room for more divinity so she gets exported to the place between the physical and non physical

J

  • so the zygote is elliminated?

D

  • no replanted into this place and the flesh of G and C are sucked through and provide the sustenance so she can grow and mature
  • steal the imagery from 2001 of the fetus coming towards the Earth
  • game of thrones - i don't mind stealing something that I didn't know I was stealing
  • people is been saying lord of the rings
  • i don't look like (John Snow) because of the crazy over the top beard AND my hair is red (ish)
  • eye of the box is the eye of sauron

M

  • eyes of cherubim

J

  • Argos the many eyed creature in greek mythology

D

  • I want to steer clear of things that are really overused
  • purposefully remove them
  • floaties - let me see them so I can make sure I don't put them in
  • box monster - eyes looking everywhere and then when they see Veronique they all go shoom! into one looking at her

J

  • here's one with eyes all over this body
  • a cool myth
  • trickster story, hermes tells him a story and puts him to sleep so he can kill him

D

  • master ru with pushy hands - eyes all over your body
  • talking about the experiments water assembling components of life when audio is played
  • [link]

J

  • Jack Kruse - light slows down it turns to matter

2:11:52 listening to scene

2:15:32 end of ACT 3

D

  • he's by himself and he buries the bike
  • i need a lot of dirt thrown on me
  • the plan is not revealed but hinted
  • magnetics / hinges /  joints
  • she experiments, has an epiphany / orgasm
  • do you want to hear the plan or what?
  • just enough
  • they both know what they are talking about, the audience has very little

M

  • I like what you did with the motorcycle wheel, one more hint without saying too much

D

  • the rear wheel had a shock absorber, that was lucky
  • motorcycles ordered for the dinosaur shot
  • repurposed

J

  • have you shot the H realm yet

D

  • final scene
  • still has to be worked out
  • could be shot all with green screen

J

  • other potentialities in H realm

M

  • like what

J

  • what else exists there?

D

  • topaz, visual look trippy
  • looking out at real world through a rippling sphere of water
  • where the peasant woman is
  • then seen through the eyes of the peasant woman
  • the software that finds animals in imagery, kind of the same
  • between beautiful and nightmarish
  • yes we can add to the H realm but let's stay focused on the boxes
  • done with big beard Buffalo Joe
  • keep errol flynn for a little while
  • get Maggie and Maddox or some other little kid
  • pseudo child Melonie made a muppet
  • yoda was a puppet
  • she's going to be talking to Joe and when she gets suprised, that will be the transition where Joe pulls an actual baby out of the sky
  • Maddox looks like a beautiful version of this scary muppet
  • find a real child to pull out
  • someone will show up
  • getting live action done
  • bike shots civilization devolving
  • then miniatures, props, visuals for the boxes
  • handcrafting the rest of the movie at that point

M

  • box monster scene

D

  • shot on Bobby's property and then live action shot in studio
  • snow on the ground, overcast
  • super short
  • one line and baby handing over
  • shoot all the backplates at the same time

M

  • see some ground for the feet and mycelium

D

  • box monster is forest anyway, dune peak
  • box monster comes up behind that
  • shoot from on high with drone for feet coming to ground
  • godzilla foot kicking building is iconic
  • mycelium pulse should not be happening over snow
  • a little snow, you see the pulse under the snow
  • if the snow is thick you can't see, just a fuzzy glow
  • share ideas

J

  • emily as peasant woman?

D

  • great idea
  • she calls herself a spinster
  • old woman you could not have a child god has given you a miraculous child
  • with broken taped glasses
  • if Maggie and Maddox, Maggie would be the woman
  • need to have someone who is 100%
  • I don't want to beg or plead
  • need 3 years old

M

  • could just be a baby
  • then we just have to find a baby

D

  • casting call for mother and child
  • Maddox looks like a beautiful version of M's puppet

 

M

  • mycelium rising
  • mushrooms as penis

J

  • Christian imagery with mushrooms
  • John Marco Allegro Sacred Mushroom and the Cross
  • Dead Sea Scrolls

D

  • So many rabbit holes
  • Cathars, Gnostics - were they tripping?
  • Medeeha Prophet as Time Travel
  • no dearth of script ideas
  • Malcolm X and Martin Luther King
  • Malcolm X killed by Nation of Islam because of his expanded idea of Islam
  • technology flowers
  • scanning timelines find us
  • find enslavement, before crossing over they have to train to be like us and fit in, reveal underlying assumptions about us